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Frank Hayes Store
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Picture 1: Back row, left to right: Lincoln Sexton, Edgel Jones, Erman "Decon" Jones, Walker D. Craft. Front, left to right: Rondal Hayes, Murph Allen, Al Patton, Gordon Hayes, Pudge Centers. F. P. Hayes standing in doorway. Photo taken by Charles "Berry" Patton in the late 1950s or early 1960s.
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Hueysville Church of Christ, taken by Payne Studios in Martin. This building burned down in 1981.
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Susan Patton Salisbury
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Maggie Conley Patton
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Hueysville, Kentucky
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June 6, 1979
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Patton discusses being a young woman during the Great Depression, including her chores, games she liked to play, her first job, making clothes, and cooking. She describes men walking to the mines, seeing a car for the first time, having the first television in her neighborhood, learning to play the organ, attending church, and shopping.
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Estill
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Oscar Patton Interview Transcription
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In the process of transcribing an interview with my great-uncle, Oscar Patton, I noticed
that throughout the conversation he made references to people and places that some
readers may not know or understand the connection that Oscar had to these individuals
and places. I have inserted in bold italics an explanation of places, family connections
and even some words, whenever I thought clarity was necessary.
A blank line within the text was inserted when I was unable to understand what word
or phrase Oscar was saying from the recording.
Listed below is a brief genealogy of Oscar’s parents and siblings (some dates are
incomplete), which I hope will be helpful to the reader.
Morgan Patton (b.3/20/1858 d. 9/3/1936) m.Susan Huff Patton (b.5/24/1871d.6/9/69)
Children:
Birdie b. 8/18/1892 (?)
Oscar b. 1/1/1892
d. 5/22/1976
Vennie b. 6/14/1895
d. 12/8/1992
Verna b. 1/12/1897
Cora b. 12/1899
Bess
b. 1902
Russell b. 6/30/1907
d. 12/2/1994
Charlotte "Lottie" b. 12/15/1910
d.12/2003
Bonnie b. 4/8/1913
Frank
b. 10/14/1914
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�Interview
Oscar Patton
This is an interview with Oscar Patton with the Appalachian Oral History Project. He
lives at Estill, KY and my name is Joey Elswick. The date is 10 June 1975.
JE: Start out by telling me where you were born and when you were born.
OP: I’ve got it down somewhere, I don’t know where it’s at. Where I was born was
Floyd County, on Salt Lick. (not an actual name of a place, but a creek- the address is
Hueysville, KY) I lived there a long while and went to Greenup County, and lived there a
while, three or four years. Went to school on Salt Lick, went up to the 4th grade.
(Laughs) That’s as far as I got. (Laughs)
(For a brief period of time when Oscar was a boy, they lived in Greenup County,
Kentucky. Oscar's father, Morgan, had a sister, Ellen Patton Allen, wife of Solomon
Allen, that lived in Greenup County and Morgan would occasionally travel back to
Greenup County, even after they made the move back to Hueysville).
JE: Did you go to a one-room school?
OP: Yeah, one room school. Sung the old songs, they sung one Sunday in church. First
time I’d heard it since I’s a kid.
JE: Do you remember what it was?
OP: “The Old Time Religion,” I believe it was. Let me see, yeah. And we sung another
one, I forgot what it was. I ain’t got no recollection.
JE: Think you could sing one of those songs?
OP: No I can’t now. It’s been too long honey. Well, I told some of them down there,
“The Old Time Religion,” let’s see, I’s telling them about a song:
Where my dear mother is sleeping away from home.
Tears from my eyes are flowing.
Deep sorrow shades my brow.
I have no mother now.
That’s one I know that I named down there. Nobody hadn’t heard it yet. We used to
sang it.
JE: Is that an Old Regular Baptist song?
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�OP: (Laughs) Old Regular. Let me see, what was it. Well I know I sung it in school.
When I went to school. Ed Allen, I went to school with him. Ed Huff, Sally Harris went
to school with them. Sally Harris was a teacher, Ed Allen was a teacher, Sally Gearheart
________wife.
JE: Do you remember what you did back in, what did you do in a school day, in a
schoolhouse?
OP: Well, they’s plenty ________them days, and an old wagon road went right by our
schoolhouse. We’d throw buckeyes at each other (laughs), acorns and things like that.
We’s a playing one day, Dry Gourd Allen, now, he was a good friend of mine. We run
together, made a marble yard together, cut Dog Fennel with an old hoe. I recollect he
was a hitting in the grass and struck the hard dirt and took the hide off the top of his foot.
(laughs) Poor old feller.
JE: What was you cutting?
OP: Dog Fennel
JE: What’s that?
OP: That’s a weed that growed up and it stunk worser than anything on earth. We’d cut
that off and then rake it with a hoe to make us a marble yard.
JE: Oh yeah
OP: You know, then we took a notion to dig a house seat out. Up in the hill. Hickory
nuts was a falling and the timber, pretty and yaller (yellow) as ever I seed (seen). We got
the house seat nearly dug out back in the hill and (laughs) some of the boys got to saying
they seed something. And had them scared to death. And they started running one day
and got them all, some of them went up trees (laughs) and some went to the schoolhouse.
_______We had poles cut, build us a cabin back in the bank. It was back up in the
mountain, at the mouth of Salt Lick.
JE: How old was you then?
OP: I don’t know, don’t know honey. Well, I seed they catched Babe Howard, he’s just
a big ole over grown boy. I guess you’ve seed the trees there at the mouth of Salt Lick,
that big Oak that hooks around over the bank? They catched Babe (laughs) and put him a
straddle that and him a hollerin’ “Oh Pap, ever breath.” (laughs) __________
JE: What did they do that for?
OP: Just for devilment. To scare him. Poor ole Dan Howard had some mules. Babe
would come from school and water them. One day he went out and got the mules and
took them to the creek to water them. They wasn’t no roads and a big mud hole and Babe
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�got a hold of one of the mules and was a whooping it with his hat and that mule headed
up in the mud hole. Went right down and headed up. And Dan says, “Oh Babe, are you
hurt? Babe never made no noise. "Yeah," he says," Pap I’m killed, but don’t kill the
mule". (laughs) He’s dead now.
JE: Yeah. A lot of them is dead and gone, ain’t they?
OP: A lot of them. Dry Gourd Allen, Bob Allen, all that I played with is dead and gone.
Dead and gone. And now I’m fixin’ to die pretty soon.
JE: Aww, you’ll be around here a long time yet Oscar.
OP: I’ve got heart dropsy. I have to take medicine ever day for it.
JE: Can you remember any other things you used to do when you was a little boy? How
you’d play and what you all would do for a good time?
OP: Yeah, well now Chester Allen is my first cousin. We’d climb a Hickory up there,
there a soft shell with nuts on it. We’d sit there with our knives and open them and eat
them. (laughs) Well, I won’t tell what has happened. For because it’s rough on some.
I’ll tell you want we did, we’d go up a tree and Ches would make water on the others
down on the ground. (laughs) We’d do that and we’d catch poor ole Buck Vanderpool,
and hold him, Chester would, and put horse manure in his mouth. Well, that was rough,
too rough.
(Chester Allen was the son of "General" Andrew Jackson Allen and Polly Patton
Allen, sister to Morgan Patton)
JE: You’d do anything for meanness, wouldn’t you?
OP: Well, that’s right. Yeah (Laughs) We’s all in the barn loft a playing one-day.
Chester, and Buck and me, and they’d throwed saw beams up in the loft and no floor
under them, on poles. And we got to telling Buck, who could jump the furthest in them
saw, we went through on them mules, horses, ever what they was, and liked to killed him.
Aww, had a rough time.__________I recollect that just as well. Dry Gourd was throwing
buckeyes , big black ones, was hulled out. They got to fighting with them. He hit Babe
right over the eye, it raised a knot as big as that. Well, that’s no benefit to you though.
JE: Yes it is.
OP: Huh?
JE: Yeah, I like to hear it.
OP: Laughs
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�JE: It’s a lot different now, Oscar.
OP: I know it is honey. Yes it is.
JE: A lot different.
OP: Yeah. They’ll kill you now. They want to kill, they want to kill, but back then in
them days, it wasn’t bad. But their jokes was rough.
JE: Yeah
OP: (Laughs) The took one feller, my dad, when I’s a growing up now, way back when I
was young. Took a big fodder sled to the back of an old field, pasture field, and got a man
to ride it. Salt Lick was froze over and they told him they’d tie a rope on the front end of
it and he’d hold it till he got on. Took three of them to take the fodder sled to the edge of
the timber. And held it till he got on it. A big frost and snow on the ground. Salt Lick
was froze over. Now Ad, says, now are you ready? Ad says, yeah., says now you better
hold her. He says, I’ve got’er. They turned it loose. It run over the mouth of a coal bank,
and struck the edge of Salt Lick and tore all to pieces and the sled and him went right on
in to Salt Lick. And Uncle Jack Allen run out and says, Oh, says, they killed you, ain’t
they? (laughs) Say, he turned over, broke his thumb (laughs) yeah, broke his thumb.
Yeah, broke his thumb. Poor old Uncle Jack says, Oh, they’ve deafed you, ain’t they?
Yeah, they’ve deafed you. (laughs)
(Uncle Jack Allen is Andrew Jackson Allen, husband to Polly Patton Allen)
JE: How they’d make a living back in those days?
OP: Hoe, the stumps, rocks, on the hillside. Well we never got nothing much. But it was
a happy life. I’ve got sweet memories. That’s right. I get to thinking of times and cry
and can’t help it. Ed Allen was a good boy. You knowed Ed, didn’t you?
(Ed Allen, first cousin to Oscar, was the son of Andrew Jackson and Polly Patton
Allen)
JE: No
OP: Down Prestonsburg? He’s dead. He was a criminal lawyer. Kat Howard, that was
Dan’s girl. I had a big swing, built out of wire on a big Beech limb. They’d ever one take
up with you when you had something back then, like that. And she got to coming over,
wanting me to swing her. Well, it was on a rough, rocky point where that tree was. It
wore ditches in the limb, bout cut the limb off. She’d weigh 170 pounds, look like. I was
a swinging her and one of them wires broke and she went in a big Sassafras thicket, in
below me, in a pile of rocks. Comin' one ace a killing her.
Yeah, (laughs) I seed (seen) a log in the Dollar Bottom there one time, was 10 feet deep
through. A big Sycamore log was cut in the head of Salt Lick somewhere and it floated
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�in that bottom and they had to get a rail, a big long rail to lay on it to get on top of it.
That was a sight to look at.. It layed there and molded away, so many years and it was
gone. Yeah, I was having a well dug one time out here and they had it down thirty feet
and a rock and Dave Gibson was managing, digging it. And me and Jim
was_________and Wiley Gibson come up ________he says, “Where you a-going Uncle
Dave?” “Are you going to Syracuse.” (laughs) and about the time he said that I got
tickled and it tore out of my hands and Jim and Dave went down, liked to killed them.
(The Dollar Bottom is a piece of property along Salt Lick Creek, located in Hueysville,
still called that today)
JE: Went down the well?
OP: Yeah. I can sit and tell you all day, things like that.
JE: Tell me.
OP: (Laughs)
JE: I like to hear things you done when you’s a boy. That’s interesting to me.
OP: Well that’s what we did.
JE: It’s so much different now
OP: Yeah, I know it. And we’d go up in trees, wrap the limbs together on bushes, great
big trees, and make up a place to lay down on them. And sometimes some of the boys
would fall through. Poor old Chester, he’s alive yet. That’s Aunt Pol Allen’s boy.
JE: How old is he?
OP: He ain’t near as old as I am. But you never see him out till election time. You
know, on the election ground down Bosco now, is the only time you’ll ever see him. Sits
in the house and reads all the time, newspaper. Well, his Dad was that way. You know,
Uncle Jack was sitting on the porch one day, a reading, had his glasses on and paper in
his hand this a way. And they had a dog, a pup, named Mike. And Blucher Allen come
through, says, “Pap, take the baby and nuss it a while, keep it from crying. Said Jack
didn’t, just run his paper out this a way and Bluch layed the pup across his arm. And
when it got to wiggling, Jack looked down and he pitched it. You know they had a
logging there one time, way back years ago. Had a kangaroo court.
(Blucher Allen was a first cousin to Oscar, son of Andrew Jackson Allen and Polly
Patton Allen)
JE: What’s that?
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�OP: (laughs) I don’t know what it was. They like to a beat some of them to death.
(laughs) Yeah boy, Harmon Prater left, quit the job on account of them, they’d bend
them across a big barrel that they had and pull their shirt tales up and took a Geography
(book) and whooped them. Yeah. They’s rough boys. When they went to Lickin'
(Licking River), they got their whiskey in lamp oil cans or anything they could buy out of
the store that was clean. They went over there one time and bought up a lot of whiskey
and brought it home, had ever thing in the country was drunk. Them a riding their
horses, had always fine horses. And their big .44’s and .45’s. Them boys would get on
them horses and run them around the lot, a shooting at posts, see who could hit them a
running. Uncle John Vanderpool was a carrying milk…
(John Vanderpool was the husband of Martha Ann Patton Vanderpool, sister to
Morgan Patton)
(On the recording you can hear the voice of Oscar’s son, Morton Patton, as he comes
into the room)
OP: Mort, you know Joey?
MP: I don’t believe I do.
OP: Well you ought to know him, you’ve run with his Daddy a many a time. I reckon
you have. I know________
OP: They give it to you after dark.
JE: A whipping?
OP: If you stayed till after dark, you got your whipping.
JE: You ever get any whipping from your Dad?
OP: Worst one I ever got was from my Grandpap. He scared me to death one time Ed
Allen had an old gray mule to die, called him, let’s see, oh I can’t think of the name,
Baxter. Called him Baxter. And my Grandpap sleeped up there, I was staying with Aunt
Pol Allen one evening. I stayed there half my time. And I was coming back home, about
a half and mile, and Grandpap, he was white headed. He got there where that mule was,
come through there when I was a coming, a braying like a mule and that white head
showing up. I screamed ever time I hit the ground. I got a whipping with a corn stalk.
(laughs) I throwed a rock at his head and busted the door, at my Grandpap.
(Oscar is referring to his grandfather Wiley Patton, father to Morgan Patton)
JE: You thought it was a mule?
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�OP: Yeah. That one big log, that wasn’t burned. And that summer we had corn in
around that log and while I was a working, I seed something’s head poke out from under
that log. A big Copperhead. Oh, it’s yaller head looked like a tarpin, sticking out from
under that log. We killed five, under that log., copperhead. People back then, brother, was
bit by them, too. Big Ed Allen, I seed him bit, Johnny Amburgey, I seed him bit, and
Ziggler Reed,
I seed him bit. Ziggler’s arm always was jerky, after he got bit. Poor
old feller, it like to have killed him.
JE: Tell me about cleaning off new ground.
OP: Well, I’ve hit some rough patches. Little trees, you know, saw briars, them old big
green ones. And I’ve hit thorn trees and grapevines, that was your worst trouble in
clearing, grapevines and them thorn bushes. They’s a Honey Locust back then. When I
worked, was in the timber. Growed, they had thorns on them that long. I was a busy man.
I cleaned up the new ground up for my uncle. He’s a laying down at the mouth of Salt
Lick now, in the graveyard. John Huff. He give me seven dollars to clean an acre of
ground. (laughs) Seven dollars.
(John Huff was a brother to Oscar's mother, Susan Huff Patton. Their parents were
William and May Oma Triplett Huff. He was somewhat of a wealthy landowner for his
day, owning both land and mineral rights in Hueysville)
JE: Did you clean it by yourself?
OP: That’s all I had, to myself. And I hit Beech trees in it, I thought I’d never go
through them, they’s so big, cleaning them up.
JE: Cut them with an ax. How long did it take you?
OP: Took me over a month. Took me over a month. I recollect getting me a pair of
pants. (laughs) A jeans pair of pants. And I was tickled to death over them. Something
like that pleased you in them days. I kept a Plum Granny for I don’t know how long. Till
it dried up. I though so much of it. People growed little things like that back in them
days.
JE: What’s a Plum Granny?
OP: Honey, them’s the best smelling things you ever put to your nose. They’re just a
little small, something like a, well, a little mush melon. But they wasn’t the color of a
mushmellon. They was yaller, with yaller stripes on them.
JE: Oh yeah, I’ve seen them.
OP: Have you?
JE: Yeah, they do smell good, don’t they?
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�OP: Ay boy, they do. I ain’t raised none in years.
JE: Why did people raise them for?
OP: To smell of (laughs). I recollect going to school one time. I never knowed anything
about that and Uncle Jack’s house was wallpapered with red flowers on their wallpaper.
And I noticed women a going and wetting the end of their finger and rubbing on that, put
it on their cheeks. You know, I seed one, one time, have a knife, scraped the lead off of
it, putting it between their teeth, like they’d been filled.
JE: What’d they do that for?
OP: Well, to be looked at, I reckon, I don’t know. (laughs) I seed one one time,
a______meeting, one of the boys going over there. I seed a .22 shell, loaded, fixed on a
pin, on his tie. Put a .22 shell on the end of a pin. I recollect the first girl I went with over
in there. She was a, let’s see now, what was her name? A Shepherd or a Hale, one. I
forget which. I says, she had red ribbon that drug the ground, on her dress. (laughs) They
though that was the awfullest thing ever was, put that red ribbon on her and let it drag the
ground. Ignorant. That was all the way they could show off. I said, where’s your fan at
today. She said, it’s right here with me. I was sitting there. Well that plagued me. I got
up and left. (laughs)
JE: What was she talking about, the red ribbon?
OP: No, I did.
JE: Oh
OP: She said, Mommy got it fir me, and put it on my dress.
JE: Was she a pretty girl?
OP: Oh she looked pretty well. But back then boys was just as far from them as
anything could be. I don’t know.
JE: How was that?
OP: Well, they just didn’t get close enough, or something. They’s bashful, bashful.
JE: Can you remember going courting, any?
OP: Yes honey, I can. I can sure, well, I’ve went. And I’ve went bad nights and pretty
nights.
JE: Yeah
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�OP: Yeah, I’ve went a many a times with one, I went with her a long while and stay’d
about midnight and go back home.
JE: Ride a horse?
OP: No, that wasn’t that far away. Well, I can think back, a lot of times, where I’ve
went. I liked to a got killed one time. Going through __________.I never knowed it.
Saul Webb told me that. He says now, I recollect a dog. It was the best dog in the world.
He was called Old Trey, they called him. Saul says, Trey went off one evening and come
back in, home, eat up by another dog. That’s just the way of a man. If he goes out and
gets with the wrong crowd, he says, he’ll come back eat up, or sometimes dead.
JE: That’s right.
OP: That’s right. He was an awful good old feller, Saul Webb was.
JE: Had a lot of sense, didn’t he?
OP: He sure did. But, honey, he educated all of his children and ever one got a good
education. Sally was a teacher and I believe, Lou was a teacher and Marie, I don’t know.
I’ve forgot all their names. They’s all good people. If you owed them a debt, it was pay
it. And if they owed you a debt, you’s sure to get it. Saul Webb raised a good family.
LONG PAUSE
JE: …had to stop and pick them up.
OP: Yeah, had to stop and pick them up. And, he commenced hollering for Mammy.
Aye, Mammy. He had his head tied up in a big red handkerchief, hollering for Mammy.
And her way out around the hill, couldn’t hear him. So, he went to the house, like to have
bit his tongue off. (laughs)
JE: Can you tell me any tales about going walnut hunting, hickory nut hunting?
OP: Yeah, I recollect I had me a little box. A little sled, made, and put the box on it. I’d
go around the big walnut trees, they’s one ever place then. And I’d fill that little box, I
believe it was about as tall as that and full of walnuts. And I hit a little stump or
something and turn it over ever few steps.
JE: Have to stop and pick them up.
OP: Yeah, have to stop and pick them up. Oh, that was the sweet days, though.
JE: That was the good old days.
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�OP: You know, you could get, them old yaller top weeds, when they’d begin to bloom
out, the walnuts would begin to fall.
JE: What kind of yellow top weeds?
OP: These old kind, let’s see, what do you call them? Goldenrods.
JE: Yeah, you knew when them would bloom, the walnuts were falling, didn’t you?
OP: Yeah. Some would fall ________, and some earlier. But, Lord have mercy, they
was plentiful. Hickory nuts, anything you wanted. I’ve picked up a half a bushel of
chestnuts. Picked them up. I’d go on the graveyard hill down there at Uncle Jack Allen’s
and pick me a piller slip (pillow case) or something and fill it up half full of chestnuts.
I’d take me a brush (limb) and hit the leaves where they’d fell off and there they was, big
brown ones a laying ever place. I took my sack a many of times, me and Ump Reed
,
in Salt Lick country, back when I was young. We’d hit that hill there, in chestnut time. I
had a coat, one morning, had a lining in it like that. And I cut a hole up here. And he did
too, in his coat. We filled them coats so full of chestnuts, we couldn’t hardly walk.
(laughs) We couldn’t hardly walk. We come home then, and set around the fire of a
night and boil chestnuts. That was good. Man, they was real.
JE: Real living, wasn’t it?
OP: Ay buddy, and parched corn. Yeah.
JE: Tell tales and talk.
OP: Yeah, about haints.
JE: What’s a haint?
OP: (Laughs) I don’t know. That’s what they call a haint. Ump told me, he said one
time they’s a man come along and told him, he’d give him five dollars to stay in that
hainted house one night. Well, he says, I’ll take it. And he run in there and built him a
fire in the chimney. Said a man come walking down stairs that night. Said, that feller
said, they’s two of us here tonight ain’t they? And that feller said, they won’t be but one
when I get my shoes on. He run and fell in the briar ditch, big ditch of briars and he
looked upon the bank and says, we had a pretty good race. He says, we’ll have another
one when we get out of here. All kinds of tales, back, you’d sit then, and listen to, at them
all night, old fellers a telling tales, about witches.
JE: Can you remember any of those old tales that you heard told?
OP: I don’t think so. I know, they told me about one. They got a man with a witch,
went to a storehouse. And he says, the man, the witch told him to say, in the keyhole.
And, I’ll say it and we’ll all go in. He said the witch said, in the keyhole, he went on in.
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�And that man says, out the keyhole and he couldn’t get in. Yeah, I’ve heard all kinds of
tales. I recollect this, one time my Dad told a man that he could raise knocking spirits.
My Dad was a cracker, buddy. I guess Bobby Joe’s told you about him. He’d go five
mile to get to pull a prank on you. He throwed a bee gum in on some deaf and dumb
people when they’s having a bean stringing. Bees like’d to have killed them.
JE: People was rough back in them days, wasn’t they?
OP: They played a joke, but it was rough. That’s right. They’s a man come here one
time, Bill Bolen. And he says, your Daddy liked to have got my father killed one time. I
said, how was that? Says, We was digging a well and down in the rock thirty some feet,
and said, Morg and Teck (?) Reed was on a mule apiece, with a sack of shucks under
them, riding on the shucks. And said, Morg just got off and come sat down on the bank
of the well and Rank (?) Bolen was down in the bottom a loading a big tub. Just like I
was telling you about me and Jim, loading it up. And said when they got nearly to the
top, said Morg just pitched a sack of shucks in, said, Lord look out Rank (?), the tub
broke loose! Said, throwed his head back in the sharp rock and just layed it open. Ay
law. (Laughs) I got another one to tell, you know I don’t know whether I ought to tell it
or not. My Grandpap done it. They was all, they’re the ones got the man on that sled and
got him to go in to Salt Lick. Why, they’d do anything in the world to get you hurt or
something, but they didn’t mean nothing by it. Didn’t think it was dangerous. Well,
Steve Sexton, now he’s got people lives in this country. Had a cow to take sick and he
always went to my Grandpap and asked him what was wrong. They thought it was
____ivy. And Grandpap went and looked. He says, you just tie her up and get you a
three-quarter auger. She’s got the holler (hollow) horn. Says the old woman was just
standing by. This is the truth. And he went and got a three quarter auger, one of them
big sled augers and Grandpap showed him where to put it, right under that ridge come
across top of her head. He says, split the hide and start the bit right in the bone right
there. They had her tied. And when he struck her brain, the cow commenced sinking
down. Said, the old man says, hold her up, said she’s a fainting.
JE: What was they doing that to her for?
OP: For the holler horn. Didn’t know no better. My Grandpap did, but he wanted to get
the old feller in to it. Yeah. Poor old Uncle John packed milk from Uncle Jack Allen’s all
the time. It was in February and they’s a big sleet on, they had things in, run across the
creek, water gaps, they called them. And one end tied tight and the other one would
break loose when the water would come and swing around. Uncle John had a 10-quart
water bucket full of milk. And got on that, they’s ice on it, John says, Well boys, I’m
across. And about the time he says, I’m across, John slipped. He went in to Salt Lick
over his head. It was white with buttermilk. They called him ever thing in the world.
(Oscar's Grandpap was Wiley Patton. His grandmother was Sally Johnson Patton,
although Wiley went on to marry two more times, his second marriage was to
Amburgey and the third marriage was to Melissa Wampler.)
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�(Oscar's Uncle John Patton was a brother to Morgan Patton)
JE: What would you do back in the wintertime back in those old days?
OP: Sit in an old corncrib with a string and a prop under a board or something to catch
birds. I recollect having a flour barrel lid and I made me a place on the ground, in the
snow, and swept it with a broom. Put bran under it, off of corn. And I’d get three and
four a jerk sometimes, under there. Homer Allen (laughs) was with me. I said, Clean
them now, Homer. Damn, he says, I’ll clean them the best I can. He says, ay, a little guts
won’t hurt them.(laughs)
JE: Catch birds?
OP: Yeah.
JE: What’d you do with them?
OP: Eat them.
JE: What kind did you catch?
OP: Snowbirds. They’s a little black bird with a white breast.
JE: Yeah
OP: You know them, you’ve seen them.
JE: You still see them around here?
OP: Not many any more. No, they ain’t like they used to be. The yard would be full of a
winter. A little snowbird.
JE: What else would you do in the wintertime?
OP: Rabbit hunt, when I got out. I recollect going to my trap one morning, had set for a
rabbit and _______in the hole, took the rocks out. He’s sitting there dead. It was so cold
it killed him. Got in the trap and died.
JE: Caught him in a Hoover box?
OP: No, I caught it in a steel trap, yeah. I recollect my Dad a coming in one Christmas,
no it wasn’t on Christmas. I know it was a cold time and a big snow on the ground. He
come in and he commenced a running his hands in his pocket, pulling out quails and he
had their necks already pinched, he broke their necks. And I asked him how’d he catch
them, he never had no gun. He said when they lit, gathered them up, they lit, went under
the snow that deep. He run his arm in and get them. I don’t know, he had 10 or 12. I’ve
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�seen him come in with rabbits of a winter. We’d take them to Beaver to skin them.
Beaver would be froze over. I say it was that thick, honey. Take a big double bitted ax
and chop a block and push it down under the ice. Yankee Jack come up with a gig one
day and I wondered how would he kill a fish with a gig and the creek froze over? I
recollect when he they used a wagon on the creek.
JE: It would be froze so hard?
OP: Froze so hard honey. It was, plenty of water then. It froze nearly to the bottom.
Yankee come up, and he says, Morg, cut me a trench across here. And he cut him a
trench and pushed the ice under. Now, he says, go up yonder and go to a pounding the
ice. He went up there and commenced pounding, Yankee standing there, that a way, with
that gig, and shake them out on the ice. And I seen the scales a sticking to the ice. Boy,
that was wonderful. And we’d skin rabbits there, and throw the hides down, they’d stay
there till it melted. You couldn’t pull them loose.
(Yankee is Andrew Jackson Allen, husband to Morgan Patton's sister Polly)
JE: What would you do when springtime started rolling around? When it started getting
pretty.
OP: Well, when springtime begin to coming and the red birds begin to holler, you’d see
me on the bank of the creek out there. And so, when I stayed so long, I was to get back
to the house to go to cutting stalks and sprouts. Stalks would come up in your (corn)
fields last fall, and you had to grub them over. Had to grub them all out. Oh, merciful
God, how wonderful it was. I’ve went out a many evening, after I’d come in from work.
And tell them I’s going over to the little Mulberry there, at the mouth of the bank. I’d go
over there and shoot me out three or four squirrel and back to the house. They ain’t
nothing like old times, for me.
JE: Just getting out and hearing the birds singing?
OP: Oh yeah.
JE: getting out in the fresh air, ain’t nothing bothering you.
OP: Ain’t nothing to bother you, that’s right. Nothing to bother you.
JE: Did you ever go Papaw hunting any?
OP: Oh yeah. I like’d to a got copperhead bit by a Papaw tree once.
JE: Really?
OP: You know, me and Jim Harper was together. The old yaller top weeds was in
bloom. And we went up in the holler where some of the biggest, prettiest Papaw trees
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�was up in there. And I was down, picking up Papaws and a big copperhead was laying
right agin (against) my hand, nearly. Oh, my God how thick they was when we come
back from Greenup and went on that bank. It was, when you found one, you found two.
You know I recollect when poor old Ziggler Reed, had a hen a setting under the floor. He
heard the hen a squalling one night. He raised up the floor, they’s one down under the
puncheon floor and a big one whacked him down on the pulse of the arm. Come in one
ace of killing him. And his arm was all the time that a way. Bee Jack Allen, I seed him
bit, Johnny Burgey, I seed him bit. Well, I’s lucky, to not get bit.
(Jim Harper was Oscar's brother-in-law, husband to his sister Venie Patton Harper)
JE: Yeah
OP: I found them things so much, I got kindly used to them. You know, I just seen
them till my scared was nearly over. But now, I’m worser than ever, about a snake. I
skinned three rattlesnakes last year. And, I ain’t going to try it no more.
JE: What’d you skin’em for?
OP: Well, for a man for belts. Awww, what’s her name? He lives over here in Left
Beaver, a young boy, he is. He had three rattlesnakes, I never skinned but one. I says,
I’ll skin one and show you how. He says, I’ll try it then. A Salisbury boy. You know
him, I guess. He said he wasn’t one of them black kind. (laughs) He laughed and said,
I’m a Salisbury, but he says, I ain’t one of the black kind.
JE: You go berry picking back in them days?
OP: Oh yeah. I saved my sister, well now I didn’t save her, I picked out a clean place for
her to pick off of, where the grass wasn’t growed up around a briar. And she hollered
down the hill, she’s here day before yesterday, Woots Martin’s wife. And she said, I hear
something under these hear briars, a slipping around, she says. And, directly she says,
you better come here, says, they’s something under here. And I went, it was a big
copperhead, two of them under that stool, a striking at her hand. And I got them, I killed
them. Me and Joe Reed, I had one to run me, one time. They get on a steep ground, you
get one mad, brother it’ll catch you if you don’t run. He come this a way.
(Woods Martin (called Woots) was husband to Oscar's sister Vernie Patton Martin.)
JE: Running after you?
OP: Lord have mercy, it run me clear from here, I’ll say, to the railroad, down the hill, a
striking at me and me a running. And I got in to a path, in the pasture field. He run oneway and I went the other way. And I run, killed one of them with a big rock. And Ump
Reed went around the hill, and stayed a few minutes, we allowed it’d leave. Come back,
seed that thing a standing up in the air, with its head up this a way, striking each way. I
got above him and I stuck him with a big rock. Law me, they’s three feet and 2 inches
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�long, one of them was, biggin’s. Donny killed one last year 4 foot long. Yeah, we’d get
out and get our tea back in them days. Spring of the year would come and people would
want Sassafras tea. And spice woods is gone, you don’t see them no more, I don’t. And
break them limbs and boil them. Well, it was pretty good.
JE: I like that Sassafras tea.
OP: I like it, don’t you?
JE: Yeah
OP: Let’s see. Poor old ________Martin. I had some year, about a year old he give me.
He give me, it was split up in little blocks, about that long. I boiled it, it was just as good
as the day it was cut. Red as it could be.
JE: What else could you get, out in the woods?
OP: I’ve squirrel hunted.
JE: Yeah
OP: Well, they was a thing growed, called Adam and Eve. We’d dig them, and eat them.
It was right slimy tasting. Sweet anise. You know it, don’t you?
JE: Yeah
OP: It’s good.
JE: What would you do with sweet anise, just eat it?
OP: Chew it, get the juice out of it, yeah. And go a sapping, when spring would come.
Take us a spoon and peel Birch trees, and go in to the bark, where it would come from
the tree and rake our spoon down that way. And it’d just roll up in front of it. Now, that
was good. Sap was.
JE: Birch sap?
OP: Yeah, that was real good.
JE: Did you ever make any Maple, from sugar trees?
OP: My Mother has, I recollect her a making it.
JE: How’d she do it?
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�OP: Well, she’s fix______ on a sugar tree and, you could take an ax and scallop out a
place and fix little paddles in it, in under the bark and run it in a little trough. And you
could take an auger and twist them in so far in the tree and it’d stream out. Put a hollow
________in that and make it thin so it would go in. That was the best syrup in the world,
it sure is.
JE: Yeah, boil it down, make syrup don’t you?
OP: Yeah, it’s good. You don’t get nothing in the store that good.
JE: No.
OP: Nothing like it. No, no. No sir, you don’t.
JE: Just like having honey, having bees at your house, it’s the same way. The honey that
you make, you know, the bees make, is a lot better than what you get out of the store.
OP:: You know, I had bees, sixty some years, never been without a bee. And I tell you
what, one time here, I sold two super bee gum, for twenty dollars, full. A hundred pound
of honey. I recollect selling a many a gum for twenty dollars with a super on it, full.
JE: What’s a super?
OP: That’s where they put their honey.
JE: Yeah
OP: And their brood’s in the bottom, where they stay. Bees used to give plenty for them
to live on, and make honey. I recollect when ivy (?) was in this country, they followed
the timberlines clean to the head of the bank, one mile. Nothing but ivy. About sixty feet
wide was as far as it went. And, listen, when that ivy was in bloom, you couldn’t hear
nothing, for the bees. That was the best honey ever was, but make you sick, if you eat
too much. I’ve seen it sealed over, it just as white as it could be. A big dishpan. My Dad
took a big bread spoon and then meal, to keep the honey from running after he had
robbed it. Would throw that meal down in it, keep it from running. I’ve seen it run out of
the mouth of the gum. But they was an old log gum. No, they ain’t nothing like they
used to be. Why, a man could go in the hill and never leave (laughs)
I recollect a man coming to our house one time. Wanting Dad to rob a bee gum for him.
It was the wrong time of the year. Young bees was in it. That was just as white as they
could be in that comb. And honey in around them, in places. Well he got to eating them
young bees. Ohh mercy, he got sick and liked to died, eating them young bees.
JE: I bet back in them days, people good, didn’t they?
OP: They sure had plenty to eat. They had plenty on anything they wanted nearly. But
now they was some things, sugar, that was hard to find. I recollect me and Chester and
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�Buck going to the store, and Dan Howard, and got us a nickels worth of sugar and
_________. We got a big poke nearly full. And Buck come along. He was raking his
toe in the dust. He says, I’m going to plant a row of sugar here. And says, watch it now
Ches, when it comes up we’ll get it.
JE: He planted some sugar?
OP: Yeah, (laughs) he planted sugar. Simple. You know, they sent me to Dan Howard’s
store one time for some frying chickens. Well I had to wade Beaver to get over there. I
just stuck them down, in under the water and pulled them out and took them out in the
dry sand, in the sand box, and rolled them, them was the awfullest looking things as ever
you’ve seed (seen). I got ashamed to take them to the store and I hid them under the
floor. And I told Dan about it. He said that didn’t hurt them.
JE: The chickens?
OP: No, he said, that didn’t hurt them. Said, why, that would be alright, said, just hurt
the looks of them a little.
JE: Did you all raise chickens, keep chickens?
OP: Oh, anything honey, back in them days.
JE: What all did you have on your farm?
OP: Well we had hogs, chickens, cattle, three and four milk cows, all that, we had that.
JE: Did you ever do any milking and churning?
OP: No, I never did.
JE: Who did that, some of the women?
OP: Women folks done that. Flies was bad in them days. They’d cut a big green bush
and make one of the girls stand, while they was a churning and fan that green bush
around to scare them away. We had nothing to kill them with. I guess, I recollect, poor
old Jack Shepherd made a cane patch for us one time. We raised our cane then. Big sixty
gallon barrels full of sorghum. And through the winter Mother would bake gingerbread.
I recollect fixing some one morning to send to the election, to sell them. And she fixed a
poke full and Dad took them. Aye, shucks. Many ways then, we had of making a living.
We had milk and butter, hogs, things like that. We never went hungry. But now, if they
was anything to put up, you better put it up. We had to do that.
JE: Did the women do all the canning and stuff?
OP: They never had no cans in them days.
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�JE: How’d you put stuff up?
OP: Dried it, mostly. Dried apples, sulphered apples, things like that. Berries, now we
never put up no berries. Didn’t have no glass jars.
JE: How would you dry apples?
OP: Well you build a
sometimes, and put them on it and build a fire under it.
But, the only way my Mother dried them, she took them out to a smoke house and was,
kind of a little roof, with boards on it, and poured them out and buddy, they dried, pretty.
JE: Slice them out?
OP: Yeah, yeah. I went in the barrel a many a time and got me a sulphered apple, of a
winter, and eat it. They was good. You could roll a ball of molasses up as big as your
fist.
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Interviewer
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Joey Elswick
Interviewee
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Oscar Patton
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Interview with Oscar Patton (1892-1976)
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Interview includes a transcript, with notes explaining places, family connections, and some words.
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June 10, 1975
Estill
Farming
Genealogy
Hueysville
Hunting
Salt Lick
Schools
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Interviewer
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Susan Patton Salisbury
Interviewee
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Rondal Hayes
Location
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Hueysville, Kentucky
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Interview with Rondal Hayes
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June 6, 1979
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Recording 1: Hayes discusses his family history and shares stories from his childhood. He talks about beginning to teach children at church and describes what religion and prayer mean to him. He discusses what he hopes to instill in the young people he teaches.
Recording 2: Hayes talks about the history of the Hueysville Church of Christ. He discusses the donation of land for the church and its construction, which began in 1909. He talks about the church's ideology, and women in the early days of the church. He describes the first records of the church, the use of the upstairs, his hopes for the future of the church and its current purpose. Hayes discusses the presence of the Ku Klux Klan and early preachers of the church. He describes working at his store (F.P. Hayes General Store) alongside his father.
Recording 3: Hayes talks about his family's experience during the Great Depression. He discusses his father's store and personality. He talks about taking positions in the church and his dislike for preaching at funerals. He describes Alice Lloyd College's involvement in his community, his school building burning down, and the teachers he had as a boy.
Recording 4: Hayes talks about his childhood, including games he played and how Christmas was celebrated. He talks about practical jokes played in Hueysville, shares tales from his father's store (F.P. Hayes General Store), and describes members of the community. He talks about the development of his father's store and the construction of the railroad beside the church.
Recording 5: Hayes talks about Garrett Theater and what he did for fun as a boy. He shares several stories about fox hunting.
Recording 6: Hayes talks more about fox hunting. He discusses his grandmother, fear, coal camp houses, and old practices in coal mining.
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Alice Lloyd College
Churches
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Genealogy
Housing
Hueysville
Hunting
Railroad
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Theaters
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Interviewer
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Susan Patton Salisbury
Interviewee
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Russell Patton
Location
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Hueysville, Kentucky
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Interview with Russell Patton (1907-1994)
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Submitted by Richard and Susan Salisbury.
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June 7, 1979
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Recording 1: Patton shares stories about the Hueysville community, especially practical jokes his father played.
Recording 2: Patton shares more stories from the community. He talks about Garrett Theater, fox hunting, his father pulling teeth, going to dances, bean stringings, pie suppers, and watching films at Bosco Theater. He talks about his grandfather (Wiley Patton), a sulfur fire, and his skill at throwing rocks.
Recording 3: Patton talks about going to work in the coal mines as a teenager, as well as employment at a factory and Bethlehem Steel. He talks about his father's (Morgan Patton) work in logging and railroad, and his father's travels. He also shares stories from the life of his grandfather, Wiley Patton.
Genealogy
Hueysville
Salt Lick
Theaters
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Zeb Webb
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(none)
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Interview with Zeb Webb
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Webb talks about the murder of John Huff in Hueysville. He discusses Huff's family history, standing in the community, and the shock of the murder.
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Submitted by Richard and Susan Salisbury.
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<a title="John Wesley Huff (1869-1933)" href="http://history.fclib.org/items/show/36" target="_blank">John Wesley Huff Family</a>
1930s
Bosco
Garrett
Genealogy
Hueysville
Lackey
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John Wesley Huff (1869-1933)
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Picture 1: John Wesley Huff with his children by his first wife (Belle Baldridge). The little girls sitting, from left to right: Maude, Lonnie, Sally, Susan (called Sue). Standing, left to right: Ella, John Wesley, Allen, and Minta.
Picture 2: John Wesley Huff (oldest son of William and Mayoma Triplett Huff). First marriage to Belle Baldridge; second to Ammie Morgan.
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circa 1905
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Submitted by Susan Salisbury
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<a title="Interview with Zeb Webb" href="http://history.fclib.org/items/show/9" target="_blank">Interview with Zeb Webb</a>
1900s
Family
Hueysville